Friday, 8 February 2019

FB Conversation featuring Lloyd Russell-Moyles

I felt aggrieved that our local MP didn't vote in the December 2018 Commons Vote on the legalisation of recreational cannabis use.
I'm very pleased to have received his reason for not voting, which was;
"Lloyd is supportive of steps towards the legalisation of recreational cannabis, but on this occasion he was asked as a PPS to abstain."
But what does 'PPS' stand for? Does anyone know?
Who is this 'PPS', and why do they hold more influence over LC Russell-Moyle than we, the electorate, do?
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Jenny Burtenshaw Doesn't it stand for Parliamentary Private Secretary
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Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP Jenny Burtenshaw it means I’m on the front bench / shadow minister team for the party and thus for back bench bills which are unlikely near on impossible to pass we abstain unless it’s cleared as party policy.


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Mitchie Alexander What is the Labour party policy on the issue Lloyd ? For me it's a tricky one that i need to do more research into.
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Matt Taylor Sorry to jump in Mitchie; but evidently the Labour Party opposes the legalization of the use of recreational cannabis, because Lloyd (as a PPS) was asked to abstain; and in doing so guarantees progression up the slippery pole of the Labour Party.
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Matt Taylor Shame on LC Russell-Moyle for surrendering to the Party line. He pretends he's a rebel by walking out with the Common's Mace; but his abstention on such a pivotal vote (which can improve the lives of millions of people and bring back justice of personal liberty and choice), has spoken louder than words!
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Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP Mitchie Alexander This is exactly the Labour Party line. We are strongly in favour of cannabis on for medical use and believe that the government have put too many restrictions on this. It should be possible for doctors to prescribe for much wider use rarther than just a consultant with the three uses at the moment. We feel that this needs to be rolled out first before we get to full legalisation fr recreational use. We are worried about the recreational use but also don't want to encourage it for recreation as it does have (and i've seen personally with my family) very detrimental effects on some people - ruining their lives. 

We get so does other drugs (alcohol and to a lesser extend tobacco) but two wrongs don't make a right. 

WE would look more to Portugal where recreational use is still not legal, but its not criminal, meaning that items can still be seized, dealing is a crime and people are treated medically for an addiction and not locked up. This bill didn't touch on that, but it did have good points and that's why the labour position was to abstain, but also be willing to seek how we move toward reducing harm step by step.


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Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP Matt Taylor It was not a pivotal vote, It was the first reading, which would need to go through 5 more votes, debates and get government approval to pass, none of which would have ever happened. I think that we need to go step by step and I am very very supportive of medical use.
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Matt Taylor It was a pivotal vote for me, and the first step of something much bigger. Many thanks for taking the time to reply...
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Mitchie Alexander Lloyd .... Yes, i agree with you here (i realise that i need to look into the whole issue more). I also worry about the recreational use of cannabis as i too have witnessed the effect of long term use and i really worry about it's use amongst teenagers. Decriminalisation of recreational cannabis would be a good step.
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Kevin Jackson it stands for there is no electorate or democracy just corruption through and through


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Kevin Jackson but then again it is very wise to ask LC Russell-Moyle to abstain from any decision ðŸ˜‰
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Matt Taylor Ha ha, I get the impression you aren't a big fan of Lloyd's. (I'm sure that will make Anne Glow, glow with delight!)
He can't deny that it was down to a conspiracy between him and the Green Party to manipulate democracy to guarantee Simon Kirby lost and anyone other, won.
He's a very lucky man indeed...
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Anne Glow Matt Taylor I like Lloyd hate his politics
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Mitchie Alexander It wasn't a conspiracy i can assure you. Labour did not take part in the Green decision to step down in Kemptown at all. The local Green Party membership voted to stand down.... to unseat Simon Kirby. I have to admit that i was in the minority of Greens who voted against standing down..... i hated that the Greens didn't stand a candidate. I did then vote for Lloyd as i believe in having the vote that i am entitled to and i was never going to vote Tory. So please do not think it was a conspiracy between Labour and the Greens ...i can assure you that the Greens will NOT be standing down again any time soon, as Labour did not return the favour in any seats and continued to stand in Pavilion, where Caroline Lucas is a very good hard working left wing MP. Mind you saying that ...it is always up to the membership, as we are the only party that is from the ground up...rather than top down like all other major parties.
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Matt Taylor Thanks for taking the time to reply; but you have confirmed that a conspiracy did happen; while I can only take your word that Labour didn't conspiracy with the Green's to step down (which I actually think is very unlikely - I haven't asked Caroline Lucas yet, but I cannot believe Lloyd's handler didn't have a private conversation with Caroline.) The fact that you admit the Green party took a vote on stepping down, confirms that 3 or more people, conspired to pervert the course of Democracy! SHAME ON THE GREEN PARTY!
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Mitchie Alexander It was not a secret that the local Green Party had a vote on the matter. We strive for transparency and don't like to do things behind closed doors (i say 'we' as i am an active Green Party member). Yes, it was a shame ....as i said, i voted against standing down as i believe that Green supporters should have been able to vote Green even if there was no chance of a Green been elected in Kemptown. I admit i was cross at the time and really upset.... so much so that i jumped on a bus in tears after that meeting. But the way our party works is that if a party member has a motion .....and it gets voted by majority (as long as the meeting is quorate) then that motion will pass. So it's how we work democratically as a party. Caroline did not hatch a plan with Lloyd and his team....i can assure you 100%.


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Matt Taylor Dear LC Russell-Moyle, can you confirm you, your election manager or anyone in the Labour party, DID NOT communicate with the Green Party's decision, not to field a Green candidate in the last election?
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Matt Taylor Mitchie Alexander OK Yes Mitchie; I can only take your word for it. But still, the majority of the Green party have a perverted view of Democracy; it would seem that are happy to corrupt it for their own ends! NOT GOOD!
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Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP I want not even the candidate when the greens decided to stand down, so i don't see how we could have had discussions. Go spend your days doing something productive rather than conspiracy rubbish.
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